• @snekerpimp@lemmy.world
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    09 months ago

    Yea, this is a good comparison. A washed up, talentless, lying, cheating, stealing, has-been hack of a clown, or a pretty cool old guy that’s been around the world, has cool stories to tell, loads of wisdom but falls asleep every now and then… like the clown does at court.

    • @Spacehooks@reddthat.com
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      09 months ago

      “When you get home there will be another floor on your house” -Hank Scorpio

      I got to say Hank was a great boss. Really rewarded his team. The kind person we should all strive to be.

  • NutWrench
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    09 months ago

    Well, what are we supposed to do? Choose a presidential candidate who was born after the Battle of the Bulge?

    • @Zahtu@feddit.de
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      09 months ago

      Yeah Kristy is better than this dipshit orange, fascism and racism spilling trash can of a human meat bag.

  • @halvar@lemm.ee
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    I’m from Europe (Hungary) and I watched the first 20 minutes of the debate (with the intent of finishing the whole thing in one go) before turning it off while basically being on the brink of crying. The US presidents basically have as much say in my life as my own government (if not more) and even though I can’t vote for them, if I had to I’d be lost. Because it’s not that one is old and the other is crazy it’s a freaking Venn diagram of crazy RFK jr., demented Biden and then of course crazy and demented Trump. Seeing the debate and how these people basically can’t put two sentences after each other without breaking up is terrifying. And one of them will be voted into the most important office on the planet.

    I mean it’s shit over here. We can choose between a guy who already stole half of our country, someone whose messy divorce somehow made him the most important member of the opposition and this other guy who stole the other half of the country before the current dude did. (And that’s just the tip of the iceberg). But maaan are we a lot better off than the world’s greatest country where two unsupervised parties get to point at the people you can vote into this ridiculously powerful position. And then they pick these guys.

    We’re all going to die and I can’t even vote for whoever gets us killed, which is ultimately for the better. This way I can die with a clear conscience.

    • @eldavi@lemmy.ml
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      … which is ultimately for the better. This way I can die with a clear conscience.

      i envy you and i wish i could say the same thing because i have to vote for biden or else we’ll regress backwards in addition to dying.

  • @StThicket@reddthat.com
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    It amazes me that one of the largest countries in the world, with the most diverse demographics, can only chose between two candidates. This is not democracy. It’s a shit show that has been going on for far too long.

    • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
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      didn’t you vote in the primary? why not?

      Americans got to choose between many candidates, and out of those, it’s down to 6, and of those 6, it’s only really likely 2, that’s true.

      But it isn’t quite like you imply.

        • ASeriesOfPoorChoices
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          09 months ago

          yes, obviously. but the point stands: there wasn’t just two candidates, and you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          • @StThicket@reddthat.com
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            09 months ago

            I understand what you are trying to say. Ultimately, there are only two to vote for. Ideally, there should be more than two parties, and more than two candidates. That’s how democracies work. What you have is a dysfunctional system that divides people in two groups, and there are no incentives to cooperate between parties. Proper voting is also suffering due to the two-party system.

            https://youtu.be/yhO6jfHPFQU

            In my country, the parties with the majority of votes and the ability to cooperate gets to form a government. We also try to make it easy to get people to vote, insted of your system of gerrymandering.

              • @StThicket@reddthat.com
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                Yes I know, but the voting system favours the two largest. Thats why they are large. Small parties have 0% chance og getting representatives into the houses, so they are basically irrelevant.

      • @nobody158@r.nf
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        09 months ago

        The shitty thing is by the time my states primary pretty much every else has dropped out. We need to run the primary like a real election not piecemeal.

      • @crusa187@lemmy.ml
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        The RNC never intended to run a candidate other than Trump because he controls MAGA, which is what remains of their energized base. The primaries they held were “just in case” Merrick Garland actually did something useful and successfully prosecuted Trump for insurrection, which never came to pass.

        The DNC did everything they could to prevent primary elections from occurring in various states, and bullied anyone who was floating a run into submission. This included the state dept making calls to state DNC committees to cancel primaries, or remove certain candidates from their ballots. According to them, it was an insult to Biden admin and their legacy to even suggest another candidate should run. And now look where that’s gotten us.

        So no, we didn’t actually vote in primaries this year because the establishment refuses to relinquish the status quo.

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          That’s interesting. Thanks for pointing it out.

          My point is having a very old constitution isn’t much of a boast if keeping it as-is causes political issues.

        • xor
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          09 months ago

          Presumably what the other commenter was referring to is the US having the oldest codified constitution

          • @PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml
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            09 months ago

            Which is honestly meaningless but very convenient for US narrations. There were also older de facto constitutions, which are usually forgotten like the Henrician Articles of P-L Commonwealth. US constitution is famous because it was the one which was loudly proclaimed and imitated later.

    • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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      Just mention an alternative and you’ll will quickly understand why.

      The parties have done the most amazing job in pretending the world will end at every election if they are not chosen.

      • capital
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        09 months ago

        Is that a 3rd option in a first past the post system?

        Hmmmm… what could be the issue there I wonder.

      • @pastabatman@lemmy.world
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        09 months ago

        I agree with this. But also, this time is the closest to “end of the world” stakes we’ve had in recent memory. We have a literal criminal, rapist, and fraudster who already tried to overthrow the government once leading the polls.

        • @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world
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          2016 called they want their gaslighting back. Trump isn’t the final form of Fascism. He’s getting close but he ain’t it.

      • @crusa187@lemmy.ml
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        It is kind of amazing how even those disenfranchised voters will rally to support the hegemony of the “two party” corporatist rule. I suggested recently we could consider rallying behind a single issue 3rd party candidate who would end the legalized bribes and replace FPTP with a more democratic alternative, and was immediately downvoted and told it’s not possible due to FPTP.

        facepalm

        • @glitchdx@lemmy.world
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          In order for a 3rd option to be viable, the entire system must change. I’m not holding my breath.

          Between now and then, all we can do is vote for the less bad of two evils.

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          The problem is, yes its its theoreticaly possible, but praticaly speaking it would be near impossible.

          Theoretically, you need to get 51% of the population all vote for one person. However, with FPTP, you get one choice on the ballot. Is the average voter going to risk their vote on a 3rd party, or vote for who they belive to be the “lesser evil” of the two that have a shot at winning.

          Even if you do manage to get 51%, there’s the electoral collage. Never forget, our democracy has built-in the ability to overwrite the presidential vote.

          Your first hurdle is getting any one to name an independent candidate.

    • Cowbee [he/they]
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      09 months ago

      America is a one party dictatorship, and in typical American extravagence, it has two of them.

    • @Zink@programming.dev
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      I’ve never seen anybody do Krusty so dirty. He’s just a depressed celebrity with substance abuse problems. Necessarily a bit shady, probably not a great role model, but there is a human being somewhere under that makeup!

      • @bradinutah@thelemmy.club
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        Krusty wears respectable white clown makeup, not that petty orange bronzer. Krusty also grifts with real clown humor with his products that makes people laugh and not the kind of Sick-makes-you barf grifting of cheap bibles and intangible NFTs. Krusty is way younger and nowhere near as crazy.

      • Flying Squid
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        Krusty also sometimes admits he’s wrong and apologizes. He goes back to his old ways soon enough, but it’s a cartoon.