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I have a feeling that if you watch the actual video of those events, you’ll find some differences in the movement of their arms.
I watched both. And neither were actual Nazi salutes.
Damn. You’re a special kind of stupid huh
You clearly don’t even know what a true Nazi salute looks like and it’s definitely not that. None of them are grabbing their heart first like that. But good work trying to seed misinformation/disinformation.
What do you imagine his intent could have been when twice performing a gesture that the majority of people will identify as a Nazi salute, other than him performing a Nazi salute?
Lay off the copium, you’ve had enough
Elon literally does the hand on heart thing before the salute wtf are you on right now
Democrats don’t care. They’d rather live in a fake reality. Joe Biden helped fund a literal genocide but they didn’t care about that one bit. They like to believe everyone else is stupid & they are incredibly smart, and to blame everyone but themselves for losing.
Democrat here and guess who I blame? ＴＨＥ ＰＥＯＰＬＥ ＷＨＯ ＶＯＴＥＤ ＦＯＲ ＨＩＭ. And sure enough, they do sure damn well seem dumber than a box of rocks.
I guess Democrats are doomed for eternity then if you want to blame a majority of voters, rather than figure out why Democrats lost so many votes.
Of course they, they deserve to lose with this kind of attitude
If I push a dog out of a moving car, who’s responsible for the dog falling? Probably me since I pushed the dog.
Since Trump won the popular vote (this time), whose fault is it that he’s now president?
I didn’t vote for him so I’m confused as to how it’s my fault.
Did you vote for the the genocide supporter Kamala Cheney?
What is your point exactly? Trump says Biden didnt help Israel commit enough genocide and wasn’t supporting US allies enough lmao. It’s literally what lost him the election because democrats cared to show dems they won’t put up for it, lesser evil blabla
Trump is also about to start another genocide in Ukraine to help is buddies Putin and Kim. When your quality of life drastically changes, I’m sure it’s going to Biden and Obamas fault still while Trump swallows taxpayer money in his pockets and sells national secrets
Genocide ? Oh you mean NATO-imperialism Oh riiiight
Trump is also about to start another genocide in Ukraine
(X) DoubtRemindMe! 6 months
Yeah want to be reminded dude said “new healthcare coming in 2 weeks” for 4 years while tearing through the system making money? Nahh, i bet in 6 months you won’t want to talk about Ukraine either.
Let’s not forget he already tried to fuck Ukraine in his last presidency, AND said he would have ended the war in Ukraine already by just not funding Ukraine and letting Russia win. You might want to set a reminder for 6 months he’s a Russian puppet who has already been caught leaking national secrets, and made himself king to avoid the consequences.
That’s not even the right syntax for the Reddit bot 😆
I guess Democrats should have picked a candidate that had the moral high ground then. Nothing you said matters when Biden helped fund mass murder & Kamala Cheney couldn’t think of anything she’d do differently, other than putting Republicans in her cabinet
So you agree then.
“When Biden helped fund a mass murder”.
Tell me you don’t know what a president does without telling me you don’t know what a president does.
The president doesn’t allocate the funds. Americans love genocide (and the industrial military complex) so congress spent the money. Israel is an ally of the United States, not of Biden, and Israel has Trumps full support (especially if they rent empty rooms in his hotel). I guess you don’t want to talk about the last time Trump left military allies to die in because Putin asked him.
Israel wasn’t an ally of, “I’m a proud Zionist,” Biden? You do realize that Biden administration continually vetoed resolutions in favor of Israel… that Anthony Blinken ignored even the US’s own advisors saying that there was a humanitarian crisis? You do realize Biden can veto bills as well? That Biden could have put pressure on Israel & not publicly claim unconditional support of Israel?
https://www.youtube.com/live/GE0jmgGF0yk?t=2131
She’s clearly gesturing the idea of ‘looking ahead’ and ‘out there’. She had been doing so for a while, but the screen grab only grabs the one gesture where her hand happens to be flat.
Elon’s was clearly a salute, particularly since what he said his action was as he was doing it is the definition of a salute.
I want to thank you for making it happen
*salutes*
My heart goes out to you
~ Musksalute 1 a: to address with expressions of kind wishes, courtesy, or honor. b: to give a sign of respect, courtesy, or goodwill to [greet] 2 to become apparent to (one of the senses) 3 a: to honor (a person, a nation, an event, etc.) by a conventional military or naval ceremony b: to show respect and recognition to (a military superior) by assuming a prescribed position c: to express commendation of [praise]
Starts with “no, it wasn’t EXACTLY the same salute because his wrist angle is 0.0001 degrees different”
Then “no, he was just being sarcastic, no one can just be ironic anymore”
Then “okay but it’s not that bad, he’s not literally putting people in concentration camps”
Then “okay but it wasn’t my fault, I’m a good person”
you are forgetting that Elon is a dumbass and it is probable that he really did a nazi salute by accident
‘Accident’ isn’t the word I’d use to describe a famous, clear, unique and repeated gesture. It’s not something one does unknowingly. I’d lean more towards ‘association’, ‘intuition’, perhaps ‘familiarity’, if it weren’t premeditated. It’s no secret that Musk is frequently interacting with and boosting neo-nazis on their social media platform, the most doubt I could possibly give them is they wanted to do a powerful victory gesture, picked the first one that came to mind and they were too damn ignorant to realize even US conservatives don’t like Nazi symbols.
I wasn’t trying to insinuate that he doesn’t support nazis, just doubting he would actually make it this blatantly obvious
They are fully mask off and to play off any of their obvious rhetoric is sanewashing at best and doublespeak indoctrination at worst.
Buying Twitter and turning it into Nazi heaven all the while banning anyone who disagreed with him under the banner of “free speech” wasn’t a big enough clue for you?
But it’s nothing new . Listen to the dollop podcast on Elon Musk. He didn’t appear out of a vacuum. People are formed by their upbringings.
no it was but it was definitely more subtle than just doing a nazi salute
…uh. No, it was just a Nazi salute. Twice. Do you need him to sit there and hold it so you can really confirn?
i never denied it was a nazi salute
i edited my comment to make it more clear what i meant to say
Accidental like Strangelove, perhaps. Just an involuntary spasm revealing his true nature.
Dr. Strangelove is a surprising adept analogue - immigrant from a white supremacist regime who can’t leave it behind, weird and socially awkward, [supposed] tech expert. Maybe I’m stretching it a bit.
“I just can’t believe the face-eating leopards who constantly made face-eating gestures and promised to eat faces on day one would eat my face!”
Even if we give them literally all of benefit of doubt and assume it really was Bellamy salute, it don’t make it any better, it’s still salute of genocidal empire. And i don’t have any benefit to give, Bellamy salute is old rubbish nerd trivia from century ago, here and now Musk gesture have only one meaning.
Unsurprising that the ADL swept in to defend him.
They’re called the apartheid defense league for a reason
100%. Zionists have always had ties to the Nazi Party.
I had to have the “It’s just a difference of opinion” conversation for the probably 12th time yesterday. I’m so fucking tired of it.
It’s not just a different opinion when you’re supporting a rapist bigot who wants to allow corporations to destroy the environment and harm LGBT people and countless other shitty things. All he does is spout hate. That’s what you’re supporting. Fuck you.
They’re the majority of the membership of our trade unions and military. Most are there because they didn’t have the fiscal and educational opportunities that others had.
For nearly a decade they’ve perceived no practical alternative means but to remain committed to orange “literally anything else”. Practical alternatives means of change exist, especially outside of electoral means.
Who should be teaching them about their practical alternative means of change?
Can they be subsequently trusted to wisely choose for themselves?
Nice, ChatGPT.
No, they’re not smart enough to have that realization.
You give them far, far too much credit.
Unless they came out of 15-year coma just in time for the election and voted purely on name recognition, they knew exactly what they were voting for, and why.
Lol. They don’t think white supremacy is bad.
And those that do gaslight themselves into saying that’s not what it was
Bullies know to be bullies.
Sadly, anyone who would vote for him is incapable of this level of self reflection.
What they’re incapable of is recognizing that ‘the badies’ (Nazis) is something they should avoid.
The problem isn’t that they don’t know they’re evil, it’s that they fucking love it.
They’re in a media ecosystem that just won’t talk about this stuff. FOX News and Drudge Report are going to run a thousand “Random Black Person Acts Scary!” headlines before you’ve had your coffee, then lead into the latest Musk scandal with “Very Jewish Very Not-Fascist ADL says Elon Actually Cool And Good”.
This isn’t a question of self-reflection nearly so much as it is an accumulation of priors from outside sources.
That implies Trump supporters have any introspection. The only thing they think in a mirror is “Haha, im a gigachad who triggers da libs with my maga hat!”
Zero fucking patience for liberals calling trump supporters nazis.
Maybe don’t do Nazi salutes then. Zero empathy for you and your Nazi friends.
Why are you drawing the line on the symbolic representations of nazism when you’re complicit in a genocide?
The hand gesture isn’t the problem with nazis. The thing you did is.
You’re trying to deflect. It’s classic maga tactics. You don’t want to feel bad for voting for a Nazi so you claim Biden caused a genocide. The problem with this is multifactorial. First Biden didn’t campaign on causing genocide. So voters for him are not complicit. Second Biden is handling an altercation between two nations. The US has historically been pro Israel. Third we’re critical of Biden for this issue. Trump ran on fascist ideas. You voted for him based on these ideas. He’s enacting those ideas. And now his daddy is on stage heiling the Reich. Do you think Russia is committing genocide in Ukraine?
Oh hey, straight up genocide denial being upvoted on Lemmy. Very cool.
“Biden didn’t campaign on causing a genocide so it doesn’t count”
“It’s not a genocide it’s a conflict between two nations”
+11 -5
Lemmy is a nazi bar
Are you fucking deluded or something?? YOU COMMITTED A GENOCIDE. So you got your fucking magnifying glass and slide rule out and managed to find a way to rhetorically say trump is still bad? No one’s arguing he isn’t bad you cynical piece of shit.
YOU COMMITTED A GENOCIDE
I didn’t think it would only take a day for the tankies to throw their lot in with Trump with so much enthusiasm. I figured they’d pretend for a little longer at least.
No one’s arguing he isn’t bad you cynical piece of shit
You’re a fucking idiot. Learn to read before you speak or shut the fuck up.
You check in with Vlad before you go near any windows.
Shure because that random person on lemmy commited a genocide. You dont even know where they are from or what thier polirical leanings are
Cope harder
Just please make it clear what you want me to cope over.
A hundred thousand dead children, right? That’s what your snarky fucking attitude is directed towards, you fucking nazi piece of shit, right?
I am not denying the genocide dear person, i am just saying that you have no right to defend whatever is going on right now
Starts the thread complaining about Trump and musk being appropriately called Nazis, ends the thread calling everyone who disagrees Nazis.
🤌 Chef’s kiss. You’re the Simone Biles of mental gymnastics.
Just give up. You can’t win here. I also hate the near perfect echo-chamber liberals have here on lemmy, but there’s nothing to get out of arguing here.
I just wish they’d leave their crying out of memes…
You just spent all of your political capital supporting a genocide. You aren’t better than them. You are objectively worse.
Cowards downvoting without speaking. Do I detect shame? Or am I giving you too much credit?
Interaction with you is worth less than the cost of a downvote.
Well good for you! You got to watch inferior brown skinned infants die in a bombed out hospital AND get a quippy vapid comeback to an internet argument! You must be over the fucking moon.
Now Im wondering whether your either a troll or just seriously misguided. like what do you get out of accusing random people on lemmy, who you assume are liberals fore being responsible for the palestinisn genocide. Like maybe that is easy compared to taking direct action and organizing.
If you’re getting up in arms over me shouting at people who supported a genocide you are self selecting as one of those people. So fucking spare me the civility trolling that I’m throwing strays.
Then why did they vote for someone promising to do Nazi policies?
You literally voted for someone committing a genocide. What fucking nazi policies are you referring to??
Deportations and containment camps being talked about would be a good place to start…
When did I vote for someone committing a genocide?
The first line where the democrats made all those policies incrementally worse just like the last several presidents of both parties aside…
I’m sorry, I shouldn’t assume. Who did you vote for?
Both of the parties are a shit show. But Trump is the one being discussed.
Mate I’m not even American.
But Trump is the one being discussed.
And who’s doing the discussing? What’s the context of the discussion?
You’re criticizing something as if you actually hold those values.
This discussion is not being held in good faith.
If it wasn’t clear, I think Nazis, Trump, Elon etc are scum. Biden is basically the same, as he never did anything about Palestine.
Have a good day.
That is, assuming they have the ability to self-reflect
Sorry, Thanks to American Exceptionalism, (and Americans misunderstanding what that term even means). They will never, ever, ever ever ever admit that they are wrong.
The next logical step is to start seeing rambling about “god is with us, jesus is on our side” etc.
Well he moved the bullet because he wanted trump to rule. Just awaiting DOGE to announce they are going to make recovering the Ark of the Covenant a top priority.
Repeating “they are bad and dumb” ad nauseum is no way to inspire sane conversation. It’s just echo chamber circle jerk.
I dont have any interest in conversing with people who are making jokes about annexing my country, or trying to shove evangelical horseshit into everyone’s mouth. Theres no conversation to be had. I’m 7 or 8 years past trying to talk to most of them.
As an American I’m about 7 years past having a sane conversation with half of them as well. Recently had an experience where I “convinced” family members to support a far more sensible very left leaning agenda (for the us).
It required more skill at arguing that it did facts. And started with a hilarious level of common ground. Asking if the CEO killing was justified considering what he was responsible for.
My head hurt through the entire process and I doubt it made any lasting impact.
But, my experience is that most are so far gone down the insanity rabbit hole, it’s like reading sections of 1984.
I’m trying not to fed post but what’s even the solution for this rampant indoctrination of the uneducated and gullible?
American pride won’t admit defeat, you’re right. However, most Americans are blind to brown nosing. Like Trump, if you just make them feel good emotionally, you can make them do whatever you want. (See the lifting of the tik tok ban)
Just call us good little boys and girls and tell us Jesus would want us to share, and you’ll have a communist America overnight.
