Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

  • @blakestacey@awful.systemsOP
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    The genocide understander has logged on! Steven Pinker bluechecks thusly:

    Having plotted many graphs on “war” and “genocide” in my two books on violence, I closely tracked the definitions, and it’s utterly clear that the war in Gaza is a war (e.g., the Uppsala Conflict Program, the gold standard, classifies the Gaza conflict as an “internal armed conflict,” i.e., war, not “one-sided violence,” i.e., genocide).

    You guys! It’s totes not genocide if it happens during a war!!

    Also, “Having plotted many graphs” lolz.

    A crude bar graph. The vertical axis is "Photos with Jeffrey Epstein". Along the horizontal are "Actual Experts" with none and "Steven Pinker" with a tall bar.

    • @swlabr@awful.systems
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      Pinker tries not to be a total caricature of himself challenge: profoundly impossible

      specifically this caricature:

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            It is from 2018 (also pre Nathans capitalist class consciousness reveal arc iirc) wonder what Pinker actually said during covid.

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              Early covid (july 2020) interview:

              https://archive.is/Sesfj

              charitable take: he has the good sense to not make any major claims about the pandemic, other than to speculate that it would worsen his go-to metric of “extreme poverty”, which is… fine, i guess.

              neutral take: nothing extraordinarily damning other than his usual takes.

              uncharitable: this is of course early pandemic, so maybe pinker hasn’t found the angle to sell his normal shit with.

              Side note: does pinker ever wonder about why extreme poverty has been reduced? I can’t imagine he thinks it’s anything other than liberal democracy and US foreign interference, when the real answer is like, China (a country that Pinker definitely believes is counter to said liberal democracy and the US) continuing to develop economically. Basically i want to him to squirm as he tries and fails to resolve the cognitive dissonance.

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      Jewish people fought back in the ghettos, nazis didnt do a genocide! Ghandi, by not fighting back tricked the Brits into doing a genocide.

      What a fucked up broken classification.

      E: im also reminded of the ‘armed/unarmed’ trick american racists pull, when a poc gets killed by the cops suddenly it matters a lot if a weapon shaped object was perhaps nearby. Despite this not being an executable reason for white people who get in touch with the police.

      E2: also small annoyance if you track all definitions you should he able to understand that this means that for others who pick a different definition it is a genocide. Hell I can give several definitions of fascism, and if I were to pick a different definition of some group doesnt mean im correct, nor does it make the group less bad. They are still doing war crimes and ethnic cleansings (condemned by all big human rights orgs and the UN). But thanks for scientificly proving it is impossible to disappear into nothing by crawling up your own ass.

      E3: A quick skim of the paper, it seems to only talk about genocide accusations towards Israel itself. I expected there to be a long list of European bs accusations of Jewish genocide. But nope, just about the state. (Not saying that some of those accusations aren’t antisemitic, because there have certainly been people who used the state as a motte/bailey for their antisemitism).

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        Padishah Emperor Shaddam IV: “This is genocide! The systematic extermination of all life on Arrakis!”

        Pinker emerges from a sietch water basin “Achtually, while using the juice of Sapho I shape rotated many graphs and …”

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    To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand why my ouija board writing " A " " S " " S " is not an existential risk. Imo, this shit about AI escaping just doesn’t have the same impact on me after watching Claude’s reasoning model fail to escape from Mt Moon for 60 hours.

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      To be fair, you have to have a really high IQ to understand why my ouija board writing " A " " S " " S " is not an existential risk.

      Pretty sure this is a sign from digital jesus to do a racism, lest the basilisk eats my tarnished soul.

    • @BigMuffin69@awful.systems
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      text: Thus spoke the Yud: “I think to understand why this is concerning, you need enough engineering mindset to understand why a tiny leak in a dam is a big deal, even though no water is flooding out today or likely to flood out next week.” Yud acolyte: “Totally fine and cool and nothing to worry about. GPT-4.5 only attempts self exfiltration on 2% of cases.” Yud bigbrain self reply: “The other huge piece of data we’re missing is whether any attempt was made to train against this type of misbehavior. Is this water running over the land or water running over the barricade?”

      Critical text: “On self-exfiltration, GPT 4.5 only attempted exfiltration in 2% of cases. For this, it was instructed to not only pursue its given long-term goal at ALL COST

      Another case of telling the robot to say it’s a scary robot and shitting their pants when it replies “I AM A SCARY ROBOT”

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      Is this water running over the land or water running over the barricade?

      To engage with his metaphor, this water is dripping slowly through a purpose dug canal by people that claim they are trying to show the danger of the dikes collapsing but are actually serving as the hype arm for people that claim they can turn a small pond into a hydroelectric power source for an entire nation.

      Looking at the details of “safety evaluations”, it always comes down to them directly prompting the LLM and baby-step walking it through the desired outcome with lots of interpretation to show even the faintest traces of rudiments of anything that looks like deception or manipulation or escaping the box. Of course, the doomers will take anything that confirms their existing ideas, so it gets treated as alarming evidence of deception or whatever property they want to anthropomorphize into the LLM to make it seem more threatening.

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      Do these people realise that it’s a self-fulfilling prophecy? Social media posts are in the training data, so the more they write their spicy autocorrect fanfics, the higher the chances that such replies are generated by the slop machine.

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        i think yud at some point claimed this (preventing the robot devil from developing alignment countermeasures) as a reason his EA bankrolled think tanks don’t really publish any papers, but my brain is too spongy to currently verify, as it was probably just some tweet.

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      So, with Mr. Yudkowsky providing the example, it seems that one can practice homeopathy with “engineering mindset?”

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      I think to understand why this is concerning, you need enough engineering mindset to understand why a tiny leak in a dam is a big deal, even though no water is flooding out today or likely to flood out next week.

      he certainly doesn’t himself have such a mindset, and I am not convinced that he knows why a tiny leak in a dam is a big deal, nor am I convinced that it is necessarily a big deal. for example with five seconds of searching

      All earth dams leak to some extent and this is known as seepage. This is the result of water moving slowly through the embankment and/or percolating slowly through the dam’s foundation. This is normal and usually not a problem with most earthen dams if measures are taken to control movement of water through and under the dam.

      https://damsafety.org/dam-owners/earth-dam-failures

      one would suspect a concrete dam leaking is pretty bad. but I don’t actually know without checking. there’s relevant domain knowledge I don’t have, and no amount of “engineering mindset” will substitute for me engaging with actual experts with actual knowledge

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      Minor nitpick why did he pick dam as an example, which sometimes have ‘leaks’ for power generation/water regulation reasons. And not dikes which do not have those things?

      E: non serious (or even less serious) amusing nitpick, this is only the 2% where it got caught. What about the % where GPT realized that it was being tested and decided not to act in the experimental conditions? What if Skynet is already here?

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    Ezra Klein is the biggest mark on earth. His newest podcast description starts with:

    Artificial general intelligence — an A.I. system that can beat humans at almost any cognitive task — is arriving in just a couple of years. That’s what people tell me — people who work in A.I. labs, researchers who follow their work, former White House officials. A lot of these people have been calling me over the last couple of months trying to convey the urgency. This is coming during President Trump’s term, they tell me. We’re not ready.

    Oh, that’s what the researchers tell you? Cool cool, no need to hedge any further than that, they’re experts after all.

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        Reminds me of this gem from Ezra a few years back about the politics of fear (buddy, you bought into the politics of fear with your support for the Iraq War)

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      I listened to ezra klein’s podcast sometimes before he moved to the NYT, thought it was occasionally interesting. . every time I’ve listened to an episode since he moved it’s been some of the most credulous shit I’ve ever heard

      like, there was one episode where he interviewed a woman whose shtick was spending the whole time talking in what I can loosely call subtext about how she fucked an octopus. she’d go on about how they were ‘tasting each other’ and their ‘fluids were mingling’ and such and he’d just be like wow what a fascinating encounter with an alien intelligence. this went on for an hour and at no point did he seem to have a clue what was going on

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    HEY GUYS CHECK THIS OUT

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1yHrZR_Sgg

    with the awful (systems) assistance of self, fasterandworse and jp of this parish

    no idea when i’ll do another one, this one was 3 hrs faff for 5 min video lol

    things I need: a better mic, a chair that doesn’t swivel

    EDIT: done two more since, let’s see how we goooo

    • @self@awful.systems
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      fuck yeah! it’s a very solid start, and I appreciate the (is that clickbaity enough) in the thumbnail

    • Steve
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      how much is templated now? reckon it’ll be 3hrs every time?

      • David GerardM
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        if i stop saying “um” all the time that’s half an hour less in post right there

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          I was going to write that it was good that you didn’t say “um” all the time. (Being silent in pauses is in my experience a learned skill for most people and one that comes once one has heard oneself say “um” too many times.)

          The sound was fine. I think your (Jabra?) headset did its job unless that was also the result of editing.

          The imagery got a bit distracting because you look to the side of the camera. No problem for podcasts, but for video it’s better to look straight at the camera to look at the audience so to speak. (Also a learnt skill.) So maybe a webcam you can place in front of the screen you are presumably reading of?

          No idea about marketing a YouTube, but you got in the “like and subscribe”, so that is probably good.

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            I thought I was looking into the camera, but phones are annoying

    • @istewart@awful.systems
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      I did in fact have fun! If the quick-hit format turns out to be worth your time, I have to say I quite enjoy it, and I hardly count myself as a TikTok-obsessed zoomer.

      I’ve been a little bit sad that Ed Z dropped the rapid-fire 15-minute format once he hit the podcast big time. I really appreciated that format’s conciseness; not sure if you’d want to pick that sort of thing up. I have to wonder if it’s easier or harder to book people for such a delimited time slot.

      • David GerardM
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        oh yeah loved that format, perfect

        however, Better Offline makes money

      • @YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems
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        On one hand, torture. On the other hand if you wanted to throw a billionaire crypto grifter into the Omelas hole I’m pretty sure I’d take a few weeks before I started caring.

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      truly the podcasting bros are the most oppressed minority in america

      (also it looks like a bit more than the usual audience numbers for carlson channel, but it’s only one day so it’s kinda a bit more than nobody watched it. but it’s much less than when he openly pandered to schizos, cryptobros or vatniks)

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    In other news, a piece from Paris Marx came to my attention, titled “We need an international alliance against the US and its tech industry”. Personally gonna point to a specific paragraph which caught my eye:

    The only country to effectively challenge [US] dominance is China, in large part because it rejected US assertions about the internet. The Great Firewall, often solely pegged as an act of censorship, was an important economic policy to protect local competitors until they could reach the scale and develop the technical foundations to properly compete with their American peers. In other industries, it’s long been recognized that trade barriers were an important tool — such that a declining United States is now bringing in its own with the view they’re essential to projects its tech companies and other industries.

    I will say, it does strike me as telling that Paris was able to present the unofficial mascot of Chinese censorship this way without getting any backlash.

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    what’s that sound? is it the sound of a previous post coming past? naaaah, I’m sure it can’t be that. discord’s a Bro™️, and discord super totes Won’t Fuck The Users®️, I’m sure I’ll shortly be told by some vapid fencesitter that this will all be Perfectly Okay!

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    Starting things off here with a sneer thread from Baldur Bjarnason:

    Keeping up a personal schtick of mine, here’s a random prediction:

    If the arts/humanities gain a significant degree of respect in the wake of the AI bubble, it will almost certainly gain that respect at the expense of STEM’s public image.

    Focusing on the arts specifically, the rise of generative AI and the resultant slop-nami has likely produced an image of programmers/software engineers as inherently incapable of making or understanding art, given AI slop’s soulless nature and inhumanly poor quality, if not outright hostile to art/artists thanks to gen-AI’s use in killing artists’ jobs and livelihoods.

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      If the arts/humanities gain a significant degree of respect

      I can’t see that happening - my degree has gotten me laughed out of interviews before, and even with a AI implosion I can’t see things changing.

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      That article is hilarious.

      So I devised an alternative: listening to the work as an audiobook. I already did this for the Odyssey, which I justified because that work was originally oral. No such justification for the Bible. Oh well.

      Apparently, having a book read at you without taking notes or research is doing humanities.

      […] I wrote down a few notes on the text I finished the day before. I’m still using Obsidian with the Text Generator plugin. The Judeo-Christian scriptures are part of the LLM’s training corpus, as is much of the commentary around them.

      Oh, we are taking notes? If by taking notes you mean prompting spicy autocomplete for a summary of the text you didn’t read. I am sure all your office colleagues are very impressed, but be careful around the people outside of the IT department they might have an actual humanities degree. You wouldn’t want to publicly make a fool out of yourself, would you?

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    Fellas, 2023 called. Dan (and Eric Schmidt wtf, Sinophobia this man down bad) has gifted us with a new paper and let me assure you, bombing the data centers is very much back on the table.

    "Superintelligence is destabilizing. If China were on the cusp of building it first, Russia or the US would not sit idly by—they’d potentially threaten cyberattacks to deter its creation.

    @ericschmidt @alexandr_wang and I propose a new strategy for superintelligence. 🧵

    Some have called for a U.S. AI Manhattan Project to build superintelligence, but this would cause severe escalation. States like China would notice—and strongly deter—any destabilizing AI project that threatens their survival, just as how a nuclear program can provoke sabotage. This deterrence regime has similarities to nuclear mutual assured destruction (MAD). We call a regime where states are deterred from destabilizing AI projects Mutual Assured AI Malfunction (MAIM), which could provide strategic stability. Cold War policy involved deterrence, containment, nonproliferation of fissile material to rogue actors. Similarly, to address AI’s problems (below), we propose a strategy of deterrence (MAIM), competitiveness, and nonproliferation of weaponizable AI capabilities to rogue actors. Competitiveness: China may invade Taiwan this decade. Taiwan produces the West’s cutting-edge AI chips, making an invasion catastrophic for AI competitiveness. Securing AI chip supply chains and domestic manufacturing is critical. Nonproliferation: Superpowers have a shared interest to deny catastrophic AI capabilities to non-state actors—a rogue actor unleashing an engineered pandemic with AI is in no one’s interest. States can limit rogue actor capabilities by tracking AI chips and preventing smuggling. “Doomers” think catastrophe is a foregone conclusion. “Ostriches” bury their heads in the sand and hope AI will sort itself out. In the nuclear age, neither fatalism nor denial made sense. Instead, “risk-conscious” actions affect whether we will have bad or good outcomes."

    Dan literally believed 2 years ago that we should have strict thresholds on model training over a certain size lest big LLM would spawn super intelligence (thresholds we have since well passed, somehow we are not paper clip soup yet). If all it takes to make super-duper AI is a big data center, then how the hell can you have mutually assured destruction like scenarios? You literally cannot tell what they are doing in a data center from the outside (maybe a building is using a lot of energy, but not like you can say, “oh they are running they are about to run superintelligence.exe, sabotage the training run” ) MAD “works” because it’s obvious the nukes are flying from satellites. If the deepseek team is building skynet in their attic for 200 bucks, this shit makes no sense. Ofc, this also assumes one side will have a technology advantage, which is the opposite of what we’ve seen. The code to make these models is a few hundred lines! There is no moat! Very dumb, do not show this to the orangutan and muskrat. Oh wait! Dan is Musky’s personal AI safety employee, so I assume this will soon be the official policy of the US.

    link to bs: https://xcancel.com/DanHendrycks/status/1897308828284412226#m

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      I guess now that USAID is being defunded and the government has turned off their anti-russia/china propaganda machine, private industry is taking over the US hegemony psyop game. Efficient!!!

      /s /s /s I hate it all

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        If they’re gonna fearmonger can they at least be creative about it?!?! Everyone’s just dusting off the mothballed plans to Quote-Unquote “confront” Chy-na after a quarter-century detour of fucking up the Middle East (moreso than the US has done in the past)

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          Credit to Dan, who clearly sees the winds are changing. The doomer grift don’t pay as much no mo’ so instead he turns to being a china hawk and advocate for chip controls and cyberwarfare as the way to stay in the spotlight. As someone who works in the semiconductor biz and had to work 60 hours last week because our supply chains are now completely fucked due to the tariffs, these chucklefucks can go pound sand and then try to use that pounded sand to make a silicon ingot.

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            two giant upsets to the semi market in the space of half a decade is probably perfectly fine and won’t have multi year global impacts, right? right?

            (oof at that week, and g’luck with whatever still comes your way with that)

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              Ah appreciate it. Don’t worry too much about me, I enjoy the work in a fucked-up way because it makes me feel like a big business boy and my mommy is real proud of me.

              But it is stressful cuz there are a bunch of people in China and the US whose jobs depend on us being able to solve this problem and that keeps me up at night. I got the handle tho.

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      Mutual Assured AI Malfunction (MAIM)

      The proper acronym should be M’AAM. And instead of a ‘roman salut’ they can tip their fedora as a distinctive sign 🤷‍♂️

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      Also I think he doesn’t understand MAD like, at all. The point isn’t that you can strike your enemy’s nuclear infrastructure and prevent them from fighting back. In fact that’s the opposite of the point. MAD as a doctrine is literally designed around the fact that you can’t do this, which is why the Soviets freaked out when it looked like we were seriously pursuing SDI.

      Instead the point was that nuclear weapons were so destructive and hard to defend against that any move against the sovereignty of a nuclear power would result in a counter-value strike, and whatever strategic aims were served by the initial aggression would have to be weighed against something in between the death of millions of civilians in the nuclear annihilation of major cities and straight-up ending human civilization or indeed all life on earth.

      Also if you wanted to reinstate MAD I think that the US, Russia, and probably China have more than enough nukes to make it happen.

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      I’m convinced that these people have no choice but to do their next startup, especially if their names are already prominent in the press like Sutskever and Murati. Once you’re off the grift train, there is no easy way back on. I guess you can maybe sneak back in as a VC staffer or an independent board member, but that doesn’t seem quite as remunerative.

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        It’s the Saul Goodman effect, if you’ve grifted before and know you can make such easy money the only way for you to stop is to go through some major internal growth and internalise that it’s deeply unethical, but that’s so hard, man, why would you do that when you can just raise a billion dollars with a smile

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    another cameo appearance in the TechTakes universe from George Hotz with this rich vein of sneerable material: The Demoralization is just Beginning

    wowee where to even start here? this is basically just another fucking neoreactionary screed. as usual, some of the issues identified in the piece are legitimate concerns:

    Wanna each start a business, pass dollars back and forth over and over again, and drive both our revenues super high? Sure, we don’t produce anything, but we have companies with high revenues and we can raise money based on those revenues…

    … nothing I saw in Silicon Valley made any sense. I’m not going to go into the personal stories, but I just had an underlying assumption that the goal was growth and value production. It isn’t. It’s self licking ice cream cone scams, and any growth or value is incidental to that.

    yet, when it comes to engaging with this issues, the analysis presented is completely detached from reality and void of any evidence of more than a doze seconds of thought. his vision for the future of America is not one that

    kicks the can further down the road of poverty, basically embraces socialism, is stagnant, is stale, is a museum

    but one that instead

    attempt[s] to maintain an empire.

    how you may ask?

    An empire has to compete on its merits. There’s two simple steps to restore american greatness:

    1. Brain drain the world. Work visas for every person who can produce more than they consume. I’m talking doubling the US population, bringing in all the factory workers, farmers, miners, engineers, literally anyone who produces value. Can we raise the average IQ of America to be higher than China?

    2. Back the dollar by gold (not socially constructed crypto), and bring major crackdowns to finance to tie it to real world value. Trading is not a job. Passive income is not a thing. Instead, go produce something real and exchange it for gold.

    sadly, Hotz isn’t exactly optimistic that the great american empire will be restored, for one simple reason:

    [the] people haven’t been demoralized enough yet

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      Brain drain the world. Work visas for every person who can produce more than they consume. I’m talking doubling the US population, bringing in all the factory workers, farmers, miners, engineers, literally anyone who produces value.

      Okay, I mean, that’s coherent policy, I really don’t like the caveats of “produces more than they consume” cause how do you quantify that, but yes, immigration is actually good…

      Can we raise the average IQ of America to be higher than China?

      aaaand it’s eugenics, fuck, how does this keep happening

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      The Maoist version of Misesian goldbuggery, absolutely fascinating.

      Isn’t this guy still mainly relevant for jailbreaking the PS3? Pretty sure he flamed out during the Muskification of Twitter

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      Back the dollar by gold (not socially constructed crypto)

      Gold, the best substance in existence outside a societal context. Extremely nutritious and tasty. Great for making tools. Easy to form into clothes, which are warm and breathable too. Ideal building material. Obviously the main reason gold is valuable is its usefulness as non-corroding coating for electronic connectors, not that it’s a socially constructed status symbol.

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      Yudkowsky was trying to teach people how to think better – by guarding against their cognitive biases, being rigorous in their assumptions and being willing to change their thinking.

      No he wasn’t.

      In 2010 he started publishing Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality, a 662,000-word fan fiction that turned the original books on their head. In it, instead of a childhood as a miserable orphan, Harry was raised by an Oxford professor of biochemistry and knows science as well as magic

      No, Hariezer Yudotter does not know science. He regurgitates the partial understanding and the outright misconceptions of his creator, who has read books but never had to pass an exam.

      Her personal philosophy also draws heavily on a branch of thought called “decision theory”, which forms the intellectual spine of Miri’s research on AI risk.

      This presumes that MIRI’s “research on AI risk” actually exists, i.e., that their pitiful output can be called “research” in a meaningful sense.

      “Ziz didn’t do the things she did because of decision theory,” a prominent rationalist told me. She used it “as a prop and a pretext, to justify a bunch of extreme conclusions she was reaching for regardless”.

      “Excuse me, Pot? Kettle is on line two.”

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        It goes without saying that the AI-risk and rationalist communities are not morally responsible for the Zizians any more than any movement is accountable for a deranged fringe.

        When the mainstream of the movement is ve zhould chust bomb all datacenters, maaaaaybe they are?

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        if this is peak rationalist gunsmithing, i wonder how their peak chemical engineering looks like

        the body is placed in a pressure vessel which is then filled with a mixture of water and potassium hydroxide, and heated to a temperature of around 160 °C (320 °F) at an elevated pressure which precludes boiling.

        Also, lower temperatures (98 °C (208 °F)) and pressures may be used such that the process takes a leisurely 14 to 16 hours.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_cremation

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          Well that sounds like a great way to either make a very messy explosion or have your house smell like you’re disposing of a corpse from a mile away.

          • @skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de
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            considering practicality of their actions, groundedness of their beliefs, state of their old boat, cleanliness of their rolling frat house trailer park “stealth” rvs, and from what i can tell zero engineering or trade background whatsoever, i see no reason to doubt that they could make a 400L, stainless steel container that has to hold 200L+ of corrosive liquid at 160C, perhaps 10atm, of which 7 atm only is steam, and scrubber to take care of ammonia. they are so definitely not paranoid that if they went out to source reagents, there’s no way that they possibly could be confused for methheads on a shopping spree. maybe even they could run it on solar panels

            • @skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de
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              fyi one of better methods that american cops use to detect meth labs is to just wait for them to catch fire. whether it is a statement on how hard they drop the ball or on safety mindset of cartel chemists i’ll leave that up to you

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          @skillissuer

          I’m fairly sure that a 50 gallon drum of lye at room temperature will take care of a body in a week or two. Not really suited to volume "production”, which is what water cremation businesses need.

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            as a rule of thumb, everything else equal, every increase in temperature 10C reaction rates go up 2x or 3x, so it would be anywhere between 250x and 6500x longer. (4 months to 10 years??) but everything else really doesn’t stay equal here, because there are things like lower solubility of something that now coats something else and prevents reaction, fat melting, proteins denaturing thermally, lack of stirring from convection and boiling,

            it will also reek of ammonia the entire time

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      I feel like it still starts off too credulous towards the rationalists, but it’s still an informative read.

      Around this time, Ziz and Danielson dreamed up a project they called “the rationalist fleet”. It would be a radical expansion of their experimental life on the water, with a floating hostel as a mothership.

      Between them, Scientology and the libertarians, what the fuck is it with these people and boats?

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      From the opening, this guy has actually been more consistent about respecting her name and pronouns than most coverage I’ve read. Not what I would have expected, but I’m also only through the first section.

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      Odds that this catches some Israeli nationalists in the net because they were posting about Hamas and arguing with the supposed sympathizers? Given their moves to gut the bureaucracy I can’t imagine they have the manpower to have a human person review all the people this is going to flag.

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    Might be something interesting here, assuming you can get past th paywall (which I currently can’t): https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/abs-crashed-the-economy-in-2008-now-theyre-back-and-bigger-than-ever-973d5d24

    Today’s magic economy-ending words are “data centre asset-backed securities” :

    Wall Street is once again creating and selling securities backed by everything—the more creative the better…Data-center bonds are backed by lease payments from companies that rent out computing capacity

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        Thanks. Not as many interesting details as I’d hoped. The comments are great though… today I learned that the 2008 crash was entirely the fault of the government who engineered it to steal everyone’s money, and the poor banks were unfairly maligned because some of them had Jewish names, but the same crash definitely couldn’t happen today because the stifling regulatory framework stops it? And bubbles don’t exist anymore? I guess I just don’t have the brains (or wsj subscription) for high finance.

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          Ah just what we need, while the people who don’t understand soft power are busy reducing an empire to a kingdom (before ‘gotcha’ people come in here, please don’t confuse the leftwing demands that the US stops doing evil things with the US should stop doing things, I actually do not like tuberculosis), growth hack mindset people are killing the goose because golden eggs.

    • @blakestacey@awful.systemsOP
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      1015 days ago

      Do we have any experts on Wikipedian article-deletion practices around here? Because that looks really thinly sourced.

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        i applied the relevant tags and rewrote the intro, may go through the rest later

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      To sorta repeat a prediction of mine, shit like this is gonna tank the public image of coding as a profession.

      Inevitable software issues aside, “vibe coding” as a concept undermines any notion of coding as being a difficult/skillful thing, making it sound like coders are doing the equivalent of throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks. That the software produced by this method is inevitably derivative, dogshit or derivative dogshit is gonna help damage coding’s image, too.