I don’t care if anyone has a Xiaomi, Oneplus, Samsung, etc. Each brand is using a modified version of Android, and they chose to be compatible with each other. But for example the “blue vs green bubble” drama is a thing specifically because of Apple locking their unsuspecting users into a closed ecosystem. And it sure isn’t Android’s fault for not being compatible with it.
The more power a company like this gains, the worse will it be for the whole industry.
“blue vs green bubble” drama
is not real… it’s some bullshit marketing thing… nobody cares what kind of phone you have
tell that the social cliques in high school. its marketing and its real.
source: kids.
If it isn’t the phone, it is shoes, or other stupid shit. people grow up and the realize that none of that stupid shit matters
it’s marketing thus seems more real than it is.
there will always be kids who treat poor kids bad for not having the cool new expensive stuff…
but that’s a classist problem, not limited to phones.
see also: jeans, shoes, makeup, e-bikes, pokemon, everything else
also, all the really cool kids use signal messenger and don’t use stock text messaging apps…
oh, understood. just saying that the marketing of social shame has been strategically exended into the colour of your text bubble pixels… from the “think different” company.
signal gets installed on every phone in my house, but the kids are drawn to where the other kids are and Apple snobbery is rife in the area I am in.
well your kids are really cool…
i wonder how much is actually apple, and how much is standard classist kid stuff…
there was a recent hydroflask craze with the kids around here… with kids chanting “sks” (sound at the end of hydroflasks)
but, i think that’s just because they’re nicer quality and expensive…when i was a kid there was a big deal made about jean brands in my school…
I would say the majority of it is just the usual human monkey brained reactionary garbage that our species has always dealt with. the concerning bit is how our own brains have been weaponized against us with untold amounts of money and time expended in learning how to manipulate enough of us to extract and realocate “value” from the many to the few.
I think we are collectively building a benificial immune reaction to this invasion of our selves, but the attack is so pervasive and so persistent that it is, quite literally, mentally and physically debilitating - certainly by design. will we just exhaust ourselves into submission or change paths and try something that does not culminate in a species ending orgy of consumption and conflict? I have no idea, but very few of our possible futures look particularly hopeful to me at the moment.
I do, however, try to hold on to some thread of optimisim - I need a reason to get up in the morning.
I appreciate the dialogue, fellow internet denizen :-)
Who fucking cares what high schoolers think?
its their lived experience and they are the future adults of our world.
if the insane amount of micro-targeted manipulation and pressure these kids face on a daily basis does not concern you, then your lack of empathy is self evident and there is nothing else to be said to you.
Yeah, because we never experienced that as kids ourselves
No, you didn’t, or at least not at this level.
Sure, TV ads and even some old games had ads which were targeted to specific demographics (their audience), but modern digital ads are targeted to vulnerabilities of specific individuals (using location, search, purchase history, etc.). They’re also shown much more often and baked into products which are specifically designed to target your subconscious psychology (using nudging, gamification, etc.) so you use them more.
The kind of data required for the level of ad targeting done now did not exist more than maybe 15-20 years ago.
You’re completely glossing over the fact that there was a whole different set of problems my generation had to deal with in the 90s. But sure, only modern kids ever struggled. We’ll go with that.
Obviously every generation has its struggles, but I was never disagreeing with that. If you treat this as “just another generational problem,” you are fundamentally missing the point. It’s as you say, a whole different set of problems.
Micro targeted ads are hard to ignore because most of the time they’re influencing our subconscious state. This isn’t just another generational issue we’re facing, it’s fundamentally shaping the way people look at the world without them even being aware of it. It’s not limited to just the current generation, because everyone interacts with technology. However, targeting inner psychology will obviously impact people with less developed brains more than it will impact adults, and we’re beginning to see the effects of that already with Gen Z.
Yeah, defnitely not a thing in Brazil. We get rich idiots bragging about their iPhones, sure, but the text bubble thing never came over.
… Broadly because we don’t. Text in Brazil. We use WhatsApp or Telegram.
SMS/MMS was never really a thing here.
It absolutely is real.
Source: my own experience for the last four years
what have you experienced?
peers being frustrated because I have an android… being left out of group chats because people don’t wanna break their existing imessage groups… having to constantly bother people about not sending videos/images over text because they become a blurry mess… frequently apologizing just for having an android…
And also a general awareness I’ve developed that I have been left out of things… harder to know because, well, I was left out.
Mind you I am probably in the single worst location for this in terms of mindshare. By my unscientific observation, ~0.5% of students had an android at my school.
yeah, i was a poor kid in a rich school…
i really don’t think it’s the phone…if it was 1860, you’d be excluded for have a subpar quill and ink…
Then you are hanging around with highschool kids that care what shoes you wear. I guaranty nobody working and living a proper life gives a shit on text bubble colours
They’re kids and plus most of it is subconscious. None of them are mean or anything about it. I can assure if I was to ask them, they’d all say it’s totally fine and they don’t mind at all and they understand, but still they end up sending one less text because they have negative feelings associated with it and thus their brain brings it up a little less.
Maybe nobody working gives a shit right now, but if this is how the kids are growing up, it’s gonna keep becoming a bigger problem
Then that is an education issue. Part of our curriculum was decoding advertising and marketing used to manipulate consumers. it seems this has to be readded at schools.
Those colors represent the type of message sent: encrypted or not encrypted. From a privacy point of view it’s important.
If you wamted privacy you would not be using the OS delivered messaging app that IOS can read anyway to flag CASM. And the group can screenshot and share. if you actually wanted privacy you would be using a tool like Session.
Does the year you were born start with “20”?
Why is it always people that use android bragging about that people that use apple don’t want to communicate with them and completly ignore them. And right after they go play ps5 exclusives.
Words are hard
Because there is no such thing the other way around? Its only Apple that does that shit.
And what does Playstation have to do with anything? The last one I had was PS2
“blue vs green bubble” drama is a thing
Ha ha ha in one single country full of narcissistic idiots
😂
I promise it’s not a thing, mate
Yeah nobody actually gives a shit about that except zoomers and news stations pretending like it’s a thing
Even as an (older) zoomer in the US, this was never a thing for me. No one cared what phone you used. If you had an Android you wouldn’t be in iMessage group chats but no one judged you for it.
Yep, also not a thing where I’m from.
Well considering here in Czechia (the country that’s 90% “middle of fucking nowhere”) it’s scary that a third of active phones are iPhones, how does anyone except the people living in big cities afford this shit? People around me are getting iPhones, but it’s always like 4-5 year old 11s and 12s, literally the shittiest investment you can do
Also can’t wait in a couple of years when this number will probably go up and iMessage will take over any other messaging app
I mean, even those old iPhones have better software support than a lot of low-end/budget Android phones. The iPhone 11 still has iOS 17 and will probably get security patches for another year or two (assuming it gets dropped with iOS 18, maybe Apple will try pushing it another year).
I got a phone that’s 2/3s of the price, started on android 13, got 14 recently, yeah it’s the same but the advantage of it being newer means I have a bigger battery, 90hz display, and more that you just don’t get with a 4-5 year old phone
As an Android user, Android phones with Google Play Services are no better - in fact I’d say they’re probably worse
No at least you can side loade and install other app stores out of the box with android. It`s far from perfect but still way better.
News flash, you can do that on iOS too.
Yeah, the customs apps, for which you pay a developer license for. Which need to be reinstalled every so often because Apple doesn’t want you to use apps like that.
They run so great though /s
Not really, no
Okay! You’re wrong but that’s alright. I’m running custom apps on my device without jailbreaking.
Don’t you have to jailbreak to do that
Nope. You can install any app with developer license
With developer license
Doesn’t seem fair to pay for the luxury of being able to install your own software
Which costs an additional $100/yr for something that’s free on any other platform.
Naw you can use a service like maplesign for $10
FDroid for open source apps.
cops can’t crack my iphone, but they can pop most androids instantly…
end of discussion
Only if user isn’t using encryption ( which is standard these days ) or has developer mode usb debugging left open
sadly, this isn’t true:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CellebriteSo I see a company thay duplicates phones, with no source on cracking encryption, other than their own company got hacked. And if you have a GrapheneOS phone you can shut off external USB. like connecting a cord , headset to computer does nothing unless you can login to phone and turn the USB option on.
Shows cop a PinePhone with main partition encrypted with LUKS
They don’t need to. They have the keys.
NOW it’s the end of discussion.
Much of your data can just be subpoenaed and then provided to law enforcement without physical access however. Apple complies 90% of the time.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/sep/23/apple-user-data-law-enforcement-falling-short
Also, there are ways that LE can bypass your iphone’s encryption. Just doesn’t work all the time.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/4ag5yj/unlock-apple-iphone-database-for-police
GrapheneOS, based on AOSP, is really the only truly private and secure option. Android offering interoperability is not a downside and Apple having a walled garden does not mean it provides increased security. Apple is decidedly not transparent and this is ultimately not a good thing.
You’re talking about data stored in the apple cloud (I think without the account recovery turned off, but I’m not 100% on that). The same is true of googles cloud services.
Agencies haven’t been focusing on getting the actual texts that say “here I go, doing something you don’t like!” For quite a while because of the amount of variability involved. What I hear spooks talking about is building enough pc for a rubber hose interrogation with unsecured parallel data streams like push notifications.
It’s really weird that this is what you imagine when someone buys something from a giant corporation that isn’t your preferred giant corporation.
For like the fiftieth time, no one that matters cares what phone you bought, what OS it runs, or what color your texts are on other phones you didn’t buy. As a person that keeps buying iPhones, I don’t care what you buy. Please feel free to stop caring what I buy.
Ah yes, the classic centrist position. Why does it matter if the government performs mass surveillance if you have nothing to hide? Why does it matter if I drive a huge and inefficient car? I can make all these choices secure in the knowledge that I never do bad things so they never occur as a result of my actions.
I’m not sure you’re in the right thread here, unless ios and android are political identities now.
It’s a phone, man. Not an F-350 rolling coal with a Trump flag.
Swipe on. It’s okay if you don’t understand how this stuff works.
My sentiments exactly. I cannot possibly fathom wasting mental energy on such a mundane thing.
I cant be the only one who dreams of apple and all their pattents becoming foss.
Itl never happen under capitalism but damn would it be nice.
Google is no better.
At least there’s choice with Android. I’d much rather it was possible for FOSS phones to actually exist but in the meantime the lock-in with Apple is an absolute non-starter, as is basically everything about their UX philosophy.
It really just depends on if you prefer customization or reliability.
For example, I’m an apple boi because I like that every app in the store is made specifically for an iPhone (which is easy for devs to do since there’s little variation). It leads to better maintained and performing apps because devs can optimize for the device it’s running on.
On android, you have way more choices, which some people prefer. But for myself, I get really annoyed when I launch an app and it fills 95% of my screen, but not all of it, because my phone is slightly taller then the 2000 other variations out there. It’s much harder for a dev to optimize their app when there are so many variables to account for on android.
Neither phone (or company for that fact) is better. They serve different demographics of users is all.
Have you used android in the last 10 years? Im not the kind of guy who install 100 apps per day but i did not encounter this issue for a VERY long time.
I haven’t had one myself for a while, really anymore I just see it when watching vids on the flip phones or tablets it seems.
But android gave me the reason to switch (the messy apps) years ago, and apple hasn’t given me a reason to switch back yet.
It very well might be fine now, but until apple does something similar enough to push me to switch again, I won’t know haha.
Im running an android phone from 2016 with android 13 and last week security patches. Smooth as silk, no google, no ads, battery lasts 10h SOT. That’s the reason why ill never switch to Apple as daily driver (I have 1 provided by my company)
@AnagrammadiCodeina @BReel which phone?
If Apple let my install alternate OS. I might consider the hardware.
Google is a bit better, Google allows you to both side load and unlock the bootloader. On those 2 things alone gives them at least a couple notches above Apple. Not to mention Android is designed around allowing you to customize things.
That being said, Google isn’t some savior, they’re still a giant corporation doing giant corporation things
I didn’t mean Android is no better than iOS, I meant Google is no better than Apple.
Objectively speaking, Apple is a less evil company than Google.
I don’t think that’s a thing that can be said objectively. How evil a company is is entirely subjective.
Nu uh, iPhone is going to cure world hunger. Why do you think he’s called Tim COOK?
Also chat GPT: urs flier is not bent the end in is if you guerts ba loopen
They are all kind of terrible right now, at least for me. I hate what the big companies are doing, and the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren’t good enough yet. Guess I’ll try to make my existing one last for as long as possible, though that was already the plan.
the smaller projects such as Fairphone simply aren’t good enough yet
What is not good enough with Fairphone ?
Their 7 (?) years of software support is kind of misleading to me because they stop getting chip-level security updates after something like 3-4 years due to the specific Qualcomm chip they use. Not to mention the chip is on the slower side of today’s phones, let alone phones 7 years from now.
I can see how others might be fine with that though, just my 2 cents.
Display, battery life, performance, supported bands, software reliability, camera quality, etc.
I know I am one of those weirdos that asks for a lot from a mobile device, but I want something that can act as a high speed hotspot for 5 devices and a desktop environment at the same time, while playing back high resolution media and charging fast. This kind of thing has always been possible with Samsung’s flagship, but now every generation it feels like yet more is removed compared to the older one. I’m still on the S21U and while I’m not very happy with it, I haven’t seen anything better, including the new Samsungs.
Maybe I should set my sights lower, but it just frustrates me because these are all things my S9+ could do in 2017.
Power users get screwed over now.
i feel you, the fairphone 4 works well enough for me though. a lot of software/hardware bugs are yet to be ironed out fully, but fairphones are steadily getting better.
although the 6th gen needs to improve a lot, the 5’s launch was disappointing to say the least.
I also have a Fairphone 4, but I have encountered no significant bugs I can remember.
Installed LineageOS on it though, with microG, instead of /e/.
Can you tell me what issues you had?
Constantly amused at how hard android users defend their choice and act like it’s iPhone users doing the same.
Always reminds me of the way right wing / Trump supporters behave. They are obsessed with liberals and the Democratic Party in then same way android users are obsessed iPhone users and Apple.
As an iPhone user, I spend no time thinking about android users and I certainly don’t post threads looking for others to validate my purchase.
As an Android user, I’ll offer my side to this:
If I had a dollar for every time a friend or family member asked, “Why don’t you just get an iPhone?” I could probably buy the newest iPhone. Added pain that I’m Gen Z in the US where something like 80-90% of people my age use an iPhone.
I swear most of the time people treat having an Android phone as something that needs some sort of defense because they think there’s no reason anyone would possibly consider buying anything other than an iPhone.
And why do they make those offers? Perhaps because you’re complaining about your device and the problems are things that Apple users never encounter?
And that doesn’t explain why android users complain in pseudo-anonymous forums about Apple users. Apple users aren’t making memes about how android users are foolish.
If it’s because real life friends and family suggest they get an iPhone, that’s incredibly passive aggressive.
To your first point, it isn’t really an “offer.” I don’t think I’ve ever complained about having an Android phone, because I’ve genuinely liked my Android phones way more than my old iPhone. It pretty commonly comes up whenever communication is involved though because I end up being blamed for not having FaceTime, iMessage, etc. even though most of those problems come from Apple only supporting a messaging standard from the early 90s with Android phones.
To your second point, there are memes though. They’re probably not as common on here because the demographic that uses lemmy (or even Reddit to some degree) is more likely to have an Android phone for various reasons. Look up “android camera meme” if you want a clear example of something that usually isn’t even true.
I’m not going to go after anyone for using an Apple product, because I can see why someone would use one over Android. But Apple tends to attract people that will blindly defend their bad decisions (no headphones jack, no charger, slow refresh-rate screens on everything but the $1000 model, etc.).
This isn’t to say there aren’t similar people defending companies like Samsung, Google, etc. Apple just attracts these people at a whole different level. This meme is obviously hyperbole but to be fair you could make this meme about any obnoxious fan group and it would be just as true.
Edit: fixed a grammar mistake, clarified a sentence with italics
I always see android users bitching about non android phones. On the other hand, I NEVER see iPhone users who give a shit about android or complain about them. Interesting….
For me, an Android for personal, iPhone for work.
One of them is a phone that mostly works the way I want it to; the other is a phone that…mostly works the way I want it to.
I never think about iPhones until I’m forced to enroll one into my MDM and Apple makes me use their terrible Apple Configurator 2 or some iPhone user lightheartedly mentions my green bubbles. As always the squeeky wheels are gettin’ greased.
I’ve owned flagship androids and iphones. I like my iPhone better, sorry. If other companies want to make a better product, I’ll switch back again. It’s not really about the exclusivity/walled garden nonsense.
What’s to like more?
I’ve found the overall performance to be more consistent/better. The “better” part is a bit moot as every time I buy a new phone, the performance should be better than the last one just because it’s newer technology.
And while there are a lot of things I don’t like, core performance kind of overshadows any other issues I have or features I’m missing out on. Perhaps I should have said “better for my needs” instead of “better product.”
A lot of it comes down to software. I had a cpu performance scaling bug that meant my oneplus 7 pro would occasionally take ~5 seconds after unlock to stop being clocked at 100mhz. It made the unlock experience really laggy and crappy. It felt cheap and lazy.
Yes, but make a criticism of Apple’s monopolistic behaviour online and you’ll immediately have a million brain dead Apple fans screaming at you about how iPhones have to work exactly the way they do now or the world will fall apart.
Seems the other way around works just as well. Say you like an Apple product and attract someone who goes „brainless Apple fanboy“ or „Google does it better because freedom“
Oh the Apple hate is much worse than the Apple love.
No, we don’t like Google either.
Lol no one is responding to posts about how much you like a feature with hate, unless you’re trolling the wrong community or youre the person in OPs post, saying that in response to someone making a criticism of a corporation’s monopolistic behaviour?
Clearly we have been to different parts of the internet, cause that is definitely not what I observed in the past years.
It’s dumb either way. Google and Apple are publicly traded companies and therefore never have the end user as top priority. Satisfying them is just means to please shareholders, their top priority. And if it is not that, then it is pleasing some governing body (e.g. China, India) to expand market access and grow. For the shareholders again.
That’s not true at all
It’s been my experience and evidently it’s been OPs and everyone who upvoted this.
I think it’s being pointed out that people who share your experience generally have a pretty extreme lack of awareness which everyone else can easily notice.
An announcement about a new iPhone or iOS feature will inevitably have Android supporters bashing on literally every single person that owns an iPhone, making childish character judgments about strangers.
If an announcement about Android happens though, you do not get a bunch of iPhone users looking to criticize the Android fans at all. We just don’t care to go through such a pointless exercise that is willfully engaging in extremely poor logic. It’s raw and unfiltered stupidity to generalize about any huge group of consumers solely based on a product they use. Use whatever you like.
The frustration with IOS new features, is not the feature, it is that apple claims it is revolutionary or apple exclusive…and Android people are like WTF we had that 10 years ago.
That’s more specific than the average criticism, and while valid…why would anyone direct their ire for a company’s marketing towards their consumers? I can’t even count the amount of time I’ve heard folks online claim that Apple users only buy the phone for the image and because of their marketing etc. iPhones have been around for 17 years now, and people just like them. The standard complaint is that Apple fans are clueless etc. but people spend all their lives managing limited resources. It’s wildly ignorant to assume they can’t choose products for themselves. The simple fact is that iPhones are worth the money to the people who buy them, period.
i think the ire is because Apple fans believe it without questioning it, like flat earth believers being told that by a religious leader. People go harsh on religious fanatics. For adults buying a phone, sure. For kids it is image, they are peer pressured into having Apple, or face highschool ridicule. And they aren’t buying it outright, it goes on a payment plan that mom and dad pay for. Even my apple fan coworker is always trying to convince me to move to IOS, for “new” features, and I have to say dude I have been doing that forever, I would gain nothing by moving to IOS and lose a ton of technical abilities where I use my phone like a PC…but people can’t be convinced of what they already believe
But the implementation is often a bit more stable or user friendly. Those features often do not light the world on fire because the user experience is not there yet, and google moves on too fast to finish the feature.
Yeah, obviously hyperbole, but there is a kind of console fanboy-ism around smartphones which is honestly bizarre.
And while I’d rather Apple not be so shitty about proprietary everything, it’s also not the end of the world.
I just don’t like how Apple decides when your app is too old.
You don’t own your device, you only lease it.
What? How dare you go against the Lemmy hivemind. Apple bad remember?
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Isn’t android built off Linux?
It technically is, but “Linux” in Android’s case is meant as the kernel.
In a rather unorthodox way, yes.
Android is one of those rare examples of a Linux kernel not being paired with GNU tools. I believe Android wrote their own versions of all the tools they wanted.
The kernel is also extremely locked down by default. They very intentionally designed the OS in such a way that every facet of the kernel is kept abstracted away from you. It’s about as black-boxed as you can get, to the point where the fact that it’s Linux underneath is almost meaningless.
iOS is a unix-like operating system too (but doesn’t use the linux kernel… also, linux isn’t really an operating system, it’s a kernel
Who is unsuspecting? I choose to use a iPhone because:
It is a closed ecosystem, a billion apps is enough for me. I wanted to be able to update the phone for many years I didn’t want to have preinstalled 3rd party bloatware I wanted a device that was less prone to malware
Android is a great OS, and it is better in some areas than iOS, but nothing particularly important to me.
Only Americans are concerned about green and blue bubbles. If it’s so upsetting to you, use WhatsApp. Don’t blame Apple because Google couldn’t standardise on a single messaging app for more than 5 minutes.
Using Google devices and pointing at Apple and saying “they’re evil, don’t use them” is laughable. They’re all bad companies, no organisation should be worth trillions.
I wanna throw in my 2 cents as I’m considering getting an iPhone after only ever using Android
Recently I’ve started noticing how much disrespect for your time and attention I’ve experienced on Android. It’s not so much Android itself, but the ecosystem around it:
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A layer of bloatware from most major manufacturers
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The Play Store and Samsung store trying their hardest to sell you some bullshit app with the most obnoxious clickbait banner.
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My Samsung phone forcing me to install some random apps I don’t want with a prompt that I can’t dismiss.
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Google or Samsung (I can’t remember which) trying to get me to agree to personalised ads by presenting it as if it’s a ‘we’ve updated our terms’ type prompt.
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Google ads being generally annoying.
And more general malware-like behaviour trying to sell me shit. I don’t care.
I’m not my grandma who’s just going to blindly fall for whatever slight of hand that gets them 10c when I install some borderline malware app, it’s just annoying. I just want a phone that’s reasonably powerful, and works.
Android itself is great, and I’ve been able to improve the experience by using an ad blocker and f-droid where possible, but it’s rough. I can’t install a custom ROM as my banking apps don’t work if I do :////
I hate looking up to Apple as a solution here as they’re do a bunch of shitty things
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Or tell them “Apple shouldn’t restrict users like this” and suddenly “It’s their platform!”
Nah dude. It’s your phone. That’s what the money was for.
