I use the apps my friends use but it gets tiring to keep up with so many.
Add SimpleX and Conversations-i2p
Yep SimpleX works great. Although every time I read the name I think of herpes.
Hahaha, SimpleX on Android is fine, the Desktop client is kinda incompatible with anything (no flatpak, the ubuntu version is kinda broken, no repo, their sync requires a random firewall port to be open)
Interesting. For my desktop, I just installed a binary from the AUR and it works wonderfully.
Yeah I avoid installing stuff to my system but I looked into RPM .spec files and that should be possible too. Flatpak would be the way to go though.
Personally, I do the opposite. I try to avoid flatpaks and the like. And the AUR enables that really well
Welcome to security I guess
Security is a compromise between convenience and safety.
However, simply using flatpaks isn’t inherently more secure than using a binary or compiling from source. But it can make it easier to be secure for people that don’t want to manage their own sandboxes.
It’s also easier for devs so they only have to make one version of their app which in theory should work on all systems. But in practice I find it doesn’t always work that way
Wait, do you guys have friends?
Beeper!
And if you have two phone numbers which you want to use for WhatsApp then you need to clone the damn app because they can’t even make such basic functionality
Shelter is a nice FOSS app.
Samsungs also have Secure Folder…
Samsung actually allows app cloning for multiple profiles without using secure folder.
I’m not sure if it’s a list of supported apps or any as I don’t use the feature
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i use aliucord on my phone, it has plugins, the old ui, and no telemetry
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What frustrates me the most about this is that if we promote one commercial solution to the top of the heap, destroying all others, we still lose.
Just stop using the spyware ones?
That leaves you with element, signal and telegram?
Oh, where to begin. Telegram is wild. It may not be spyware in the traditional sense, but they’ve already handed over data to the Indian government, left a telephone number scraping vulnerability open for the Iranian government, and gotten caught with “the most backdoor looking bug” with their unwisely handmade encryption algorithm.
Okay just element and signal then?
In the meme, yeah. There are others though:
And yet no one was able to crack it.
Telegram’s backend is proprietary software and they (very similarly to Discord for example) can just decide to read your chats whenever they want. It’s even worse then WhatsApp in this sense (at least as long as you trust Facebook that they actually encrypt your chats, again, there is no way to know if it’s proprietary software).
Telegram and signal are both central points of failure. Signal can be used with other servers, but the server address is hard coded in the app, so you have to deploy your own app. Matrix servers can keep a channel going even if the channel’s home server goes down. The more home servers there are, the more mirrors of public channels there will be.
Yeah yeah we got it you have multiple friends quit bragging about it now
We need a new Trillian or Adium. Fucking anti-interop gatekeepers.
Omg trillian immediately reminds me of ICQ and MSN Messenger
Element has bridges to some of the services
Thanks apple!
Guessing you weren’t around when MSN, AIM, IRC, ICQ, Yahoo! Messages and Skype were at the height of their popularity.
Whatsapp for irl friends, Discord for online friends and gaming, email for professional communication. Not too complicated
Matrix with bridges can help consolidate them. Some managed versions exist like Beeper and Element. Been slowly moving to that. Will eventually self host.
they are beasts to set up self host. I’m going to do it one day
Matrix via docker is pretty simple actually.
Took me like 30 mins to set it up exactly like I wanted on my kubernetes cluster.
oh yeah? can you point me to tutorials or examples? i tried the official github but got a little overwhelmed.
Would you like docs on just the docker component or a kubernetes centered doc?
docker please. i got overwhelmed with all the fields that need to be set up.
I have not tried it. But this doc seems to make sense and isn’t very opinionated.
https://computingforgeeks.com/run-synapse-matrix-homeserver-in-docker-containers/
One of the aspects that is glossed over in this doc however is the networking parts. There are many ways to setup your DNS, certificates, and ingress depending on how/where you are hosting the container.
that’s really good thank you!
Yeah… This 1000 times… It DOES bother me to install all that shit. What doesn’t bother me? Installing a bridge on Matrix and having everything in one place. Hell I’ve even started adding matrix to my linux scripts. I get notifications about script status in dedicated spaces on my single chat window.
I’m literally SMS away from doing 100% of the chat clients I use for personal usage… And seriously debating on bridging teams for work usage.
I’ve even gotten my wife onboard. That, to me, speaks about how frustrated normal people are with having many different apps as well.
Used a self hosted matrix with element for years now it’s solid. Have a friend group who uses it for everything with dedicated channels etc.
Wait you guys use Signal? Idk a single Canadian that uses it we all use Discord, WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, Instagram, Telegram, WeChat, and Snapchat depending on the person. The reason why I put WeChat there because I had to use it in university because at the time we had a lot of Chinese international students so had no choice
if you won’t talk to me except through insta then you’re not worth being friends with just fucking text me like a normal ass human.
