We don’t need a fork of Firefox.

We need a fork of Mozilla.

#Mozilla #Firefox

  • Jeremiah LeeOP
    31•22 days ago

    We need more browser competition.

    Switching to a Chromium-based browser (Arc, Brave, Vivaldi, Edge, et al) does not increase browser competition. It just further strengthens Google’s ability to control the web as a platform.

    #Mozilla #Firefox

    • Feydaikin
      5•22 days ago

      Found a list with supposed non-chromium browsers. But it’s a couple of years old, so I don’t know if it holds water.

      There’s Firefox & Waterfox

      Librewolf

      Mullvad

      GNOME Web (Epiphany)

      Pale Moon

      SeaMonkey

      Midori

      K-Meleon

      Otter Browser

      And of cause, Safari.

      I can’t speak to the validity or quality of any of these. But at least there is something to look into.

    • Nicolai
      1•22 days ago

      @Jeremiah@alpaca.gold in my newly found #Europatrionism I tried to find a euro-based browser. Yet all the engines were the same, except Mulvad and servo. And neither had the maturity I needed to run them for most stuff, still made Mulvad my default though… do you know of any other with a tad more consumer readiness ?

      • Jeremiah LeeOP
        1•22 days ago

        @nicolaiofdk@mastodon.social Not yet. I am going to keep using Firefox until Servo or Ladybird are mature enough. Mozilla is being dumb, but it’s not yet insufferable for me.

        • Nicolai
          1•22 days ago

          @Jeremiah@alpaca.gold do you have any nuggets regarding the Norwegians (opera / Vivaldi)

  • @anon@lemmus.org
    11•22 days ago

    I think we all need to throw support at Mullvad and Windscribe. I really wish one of them would introduce a Proton-esque type of environment.

    • bluGill
      3•22 days ago

      @rumschlumpel@feddit.org

      @Jeremiah@alpaca.gold There are many forks of firefox, it isn’t hard to do. However since Mozilla does most of the hard work on the core all the forks end up being skin deep changes. Mozilla controls all the hard code behind firefox and so the evil that Mozilla does is almost impossible to remove (forks will sometimes disable it, but it is still there waiting for someone to make a mistake).

      What we need is all the people forking firefox to get together and fork Mozilla thus getting a core that believes in some principals that Mozilla used to give lip service to. This core needs a dedicated team who work on the hard parts.

      • Jeremiah LeeOP
        2•22 days ago

        @bluGill@fedia.io @rumschlumpel@feddit.org So far, the “evil” is not in the Firefox codebase. It’s only in the Mozilla privacy policy.

        Removing actual bad things from the Chromium codebase has proven to be very difficult to maintain.

        • bluGill
          1•22 days ago

          @Jeremiah@alpaca.gold

          @rumschlumpel@feddit.org as soon as mozilla puts bad things in we are sunk umless someone maintains the code.

  • Jeremiah LeeOP
    1•21 days ago

    Ok, this fork of Firefox actually is pretty great:

    @zenbrowser@fosstodon.org is Firefox under the hood, but with a UX more like Arc. It’s already had over 2 million downloads. I am trying it out for a week as my primary browser and will report back.

    https://zen-browser.app/

    #Mozilla #Firefox

    • flo
      1•21 days ago

      @Jeremiah@alpaca.gold
      I’m using Zen since some weeks now and really like it!

      Thanks @zenbrowser@fosstodon.org for developing such a great fork <3